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Title: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 14, 2016, 08:52:13 PM
Posle Spitfirea, Edge je sledeći model koji sam štampao na 3D printeru.

U odnosu sa malog warbirda, sem što je ovo akrobatski model, razlika je i u veličini, Edge je nešto veći, duži i teži.

(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k588/mirce5/3D%20print/x1_zpsfhbegsgi.gif) (http://s1117.photobucket.com/user/mirce5/media/3D%20print/x1_zpsfhbegsgi.gif.html)

Da ne bih objašnjavao, copy - paste tehnički podatci i setapi:

Lenght: 1048mm (41.0in)
Wingspan: 1187mm (46.7.1in)
Height: 368mm (14.5in)
Wing area: 23.0 dm2
Wing loading: 48.6 g/dm2
Airfoil: NACA sym. modificated
Print weight: 730g
Empty weight (w/o battery): 910g
Takeoff weight (6s 1300 lipo): 1120g
Design maneuvering speed, VA: 165km/h
Stall speed, VS: 30 km/h

Powerplant:
Propeller: aeronaut ELP 11/5 or APC 9/6 - 11/5.5
Motor: AX-4008Q/620KV
ESC: Castle Creations TALON 25
Battery: Turnigy nanotech 1300 mAh/6s/22.2V, 216g, 45C

ECO PERFORMANCE SETUP
Propeller: 11/5.5
Motor: Turnigy D3530/14 1100KV or similar 3530-35 1100kv
ESC: 40A Electronic Speed Controller or similar 40Amps
Battery: Turnigy 2700mAh 3S 20C or similar 2200-3800/3s

I delova za štampu ima nešto više...

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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 14, 2016, 08:54:08 PM
Za model sam izabrao belo - zelenu (transparentno) kombinaciju...

Trup:

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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 14, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 14, 2016, 08:57:02 PM
Jedna polovina krila je odrađena, a druga se štampa. Za sada imamo ovo:

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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 14, 2016, 08:58:12 PM
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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 14, 2016, 08:59:15 PM
I par detalja za kraj...

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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 19, 2016, 04:35:56 PM
Nastavak štampe...

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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 19, 2016, 04:36:52 PM
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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 19, 2016, 04:37:50 PM
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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 19, 2016, 04:39:22 PM
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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 19, 2016, 04:45:41 PM
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Egde je veći model od Spitfire-a, a ono što se meni svidja je da su sve šarke odštampane i poveziju se čeličnom žicom od 1 mm.
U unutrašnjosti trupa odštampan je bovden za repne komandne površine gde se takodje koristi čelična žica od 1 mm za povezivanje servoa i kormila...

Trapovi pasent ulaze u trup, poprilično su jaki, a kažu da se ceo skolop dodatno ojača ulepljivanjem u trup.

 (pijemo)
Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: uros2002 on December 19, 2016, 06:11:12 PM
Pozdrav Mirče,

Prelep model i odlično urađen.

Koji lepak koristiš za sklapanje odštampanih delova.

Svaka čast.
Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 19, 2016, 06:32:28 PM
Koristio sam medium CA i aktivator u spreju.

E sad, pošto nikad nisam lepio CA sa tim sprejom, mislio sam da lepak uopšte ne lepi dok se ne poprska, pa sam se neprijatno iznenadio što lepak lepi i bez spreja!!!

Delovi se dosta dobro uklapaju, no treba ih centrirati, postaviti jedan na drugi, pa ako to ne uradite brzo, počinju da se ulepljuju.
To je moje iskustvo, možda postoji CA koji se ne lepi bez prskanja, ali ja nisam imao takav.

Sve u svemu - CA + aktivator...
Kad se ulepi drži veoma čvrsto...

 (pijemo)

Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: marko.jovanovic on December 19, 2016, 08:19:44 PM
Kada se koriste tanki premazi lepka kao i svaki super lepak lepi za oko 3 sekunde.
Umesto aktivatora može da se koristi i soda bikarbona ali ona ostavlja jako grube posledice koje posle teško mogu i da se ošmirglaju.
Ali svakako jako dobar način da se kada ste u problemu, nemate aktivator, treba vam brzo, lepljenje a kanuli ste višak lepka samo se pospe soda bikarbona po lspki i odmah oduva višak. Trenutno steže lepak bez problema.
Korisne stvarčice za znati
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA7iTuelB3Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvZWizGhAKo



Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: drjack on December 19, 2016, 11:15:22 PM
Mirče ima li potrebe za kakvom  dodatnom  obradom  površina nakon štampanja i ako ima, čime se radi ?
Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 20, 2016, 01:01:09 AM
Površina nije idealno ravna, vide se lejeri od štampe.

Po meni, ovo nisu modeli na kojima će se "isterivati" skala detalji, već igračka za zezanje, koju odštampate, ulepite i idete na letenje.
Kad je "skrljate" odštampate drugu, prebacite setap i teraj dalje...

Spojevi se vide i ako se površina šmirgla izgubi se sjaj.
Brušenje se najmanje vidi na beloj boji, to je trup od Edga koji je na slikama.
Delove koji su u nekoj drugoj boji nisam uopšte doterivao. Zato je prilično važno lepo sastaviti model, da prelazi budu što manje uočljivi i da se ne osete pod prstima.

Beli trup od Edga sam šmirglao, površina se da lepo doterati, ali ne treba zaboraviti da je trup samo 0,4 mm debljine, pa ne treba preterivati.

Ovo su jeftine igračke za zezanje, konstruisane bez ikakve pretenzije za nekim ozbiljnim modelarstvom.

Što se tiče šmirglanja 3D štampanih delova, najviše sam brusioo tip tank od Galeba G2. Tip tank će se štampati a površina je ista kao i na ovim modelima.
Tank sam "uglancao" da se risovi opšte ne vide. Martin je u pripremi napravio zid od 0,8 mm, pa je bilo "mesa" za šmirglanje.

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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: kole_niš on December 21, 2016, 05:28:53 PM
A kako ide ako se slomi pri padu deo krila? Stampa se celo krilo ili taj deo? Vidim da ima zlebove pa kad se ulepi a polomi se samo recimo deo krila, verovatno da mora celo krilo da we stampa opet. Jel tako?
Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 24, 2016, 11:37:26 PM
Egde u srebrno - transparentnoj kombinaciji...

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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on December 24, 2016, 11:39:19 PM
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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: bora61 on March 17, 2017, 08:05:54 AM
Mirce, koja je 3d masina u pitanju ?
Da li si ti projektovao model, tj koji si program  koristio za crtanje, jer Google sketchup pro , sigurno nisi .
Koliko je trajala sama stampa modela ?

Koliko naplacujes stampanje po dm3 ili kako to vec ide ?

Hvala.
Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: mirce on March 17, 2017, 10:34:14 AM
Ja imam Prusa štampač.

Fajlovi za modele su kupljeni od firme koja saradjuje sa Prusom - 3D lab.

Štampanje modela traje u zavisnosti koji je u pitanju, zna da traje i celu nedelju i to po ceo dan. Sama štampa je izuzetno spora i dugo traje.
Po meni, ogromno "drndanje" mašine za sića lovu...

Ako te interesuje 3D model, imam onog Mustanga sa sve ugradjenim setapom, sve je ganc novo.
Cena za model i setap (sa 3 baterije) 100 evrića...

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Title: Re: Zivko Edge - 3D printing model
Post by: bora61 on March 20, 2017, 07:54:56 AM
Hvala lepo.
Mustang je prebrz, za moje `dead horse` reflekse.
Ako radis usluzno stampanje sibni mi na Pm.